Exodontist
**Earning Potential of $590K per year (based on experience)**
We are seeking an Exodontist for our offices in the Sacramento and Rancho Cordova, CA region.. This is a fantastic opportunity for the right Exodontist!
At Western Dental & Orthodontics, we are a Dental Home providing a lifetime of services for our patients. Exodontists, like you, support this idea by providing treatment for your patients in our fully-equipped dental facilities along with trained support staff.
At Western Dental, we have a variety of Corporate Support Departments including Billing, Quality Management,...
Let us help you take the next step in your career at our Western Dental/Brident Offices! At Western Dental/Brident Offices we have modern, fully equipped state of the art dental practices that you will be proud to be affiliated with. We recognize that our team members are part of the Western Dental/Brident family where we provide excellent professional, financial and personal growth for your dental career.
Responsibilities
- Management, training, and oversight of our office staff team members
- Strong organizational and leadership skills
- Collaboration with experienced professionals in our corporate and operations management teams
- Versatility in working with analytical and...
***$5K Sign On Bonus***
Our team of Hygienists perform a variety of preventative dental procedures as well as educate patients on oral hygiene. We’re big on teamwork, so you’ll partner with the dentist(s) in your office to provide the best treatment for your patients. In order to help you better educate your patients, our offices have iPads that include friendly videos on various dental procedures. Plus, we take care of the day-to-day operations for you so you can focus on what matters: your patients and their smiles.
We welcome Hygienists of all different experience levels, including recent graduates, to join our team.
Are you a motivated self-starter looking for professional and personal fulfillment in your dental career? Do you want to be part of an organization that is interested in your professional growth?
Come and join a fun a friendly professional work environment where you will be proud to work in. We recognize the importance of investing in our most valuable asset that strengthens the...
Our company is looking for a bright, motivated and talented Patient Care Coordinator. The Patient Care Coordinator is the primary point of contact and communication for patients in our offices. The Coordinator will greet patients, introduce them to the office, coordinate treatment services, and nurture the patient relationship. The Patient Care Coordinator must be a strong communicator with a passion for providing excellent customer service and strong aptitude for sales. The Patient Care Coordinators objective is to make patients feel welcome and comfortable and to provide the Ultimate Patient Experience to every patient that visits our offices.
Job Responsibilities/Duties :
- Set and achieve personal sales goals while supporting the goals of...
Our team of Hygienists perform a variety of preventative dental procedures as well as educate patients on oral hygiene. We’re big on teamwork, so you’ll partner with the dentist(s) in your office to provide the best treatment for your patients. In order to help you better educate your patients, our offices have iPads that include friendly videos on various dental procedures. Plus, we take care of the day-to-day operations for you so you can focus on what matters: your patients and their smiles.
We welcome Hygienists of all different experience levels, including recent graduates, to join our team.
Here's a few reasons why hygienists...
Are you an experienced Oral Surgeon looking for an exceptional opportunity? Sonrava Health is seeking a Board Eligible or Board-Certified Oral Surgeon to join our team in our Fresno, CA office(s). At Sonrava Health, we are dedicated to providing a lifetime of comprehensive dental services to our patients, and we need skilled Oral Surgeons like you to make it happen.
About Us:
Sonrava Health is a Dental Home committed to delivering top-quality dental care. As an Oral Surgeon with us, you'll play a pivotal role in our patient-centric approach by providing sedation dentistry services in our state-of-the-art dental facilities, complemented by...
Are you an experienced Oral Surgeon looking for an exceptional opportunity? Sonrava Health is seeking a Board Eligible or Board-Certified Oral Surgeon to join our team in our Hanford and Tulare, CA offices! At Sonrava Health, we are dedicated to providing a lifetime of comprehensive dental services to our patients, and we need skilled Oral Surgeons like you to make it happen.
About Us:
Sonrava Health is a Dental Home committed to delivering top-quality dental care. As an Oral Surgeon with us, you'll play a pivotal role in our patient-centric approach by providing sedation dentistry services in our state-of-the-art dental facilities,...
Are you an experienced Oral Surgeon looking for an exceptional opportunity? Sonrava Health is seeking a Board Eligible or Board-Certified Oral Surgeon to join our team at our Redding, CA office! At Sonrava Health, we are dedicated to providing a lifetime of comprehensive dental services to our patients, and we need skilled Oral Surgeons like you to make it happen.
About Us:
Sonrava Health is a Dental Home committed to delivering top-quality dental care. As an Oral Surgeon with us, you'll play a pivotal role in our patient-centric approach by providing sedation dentistry services in our state-of-the-art dental facilities, complemented by...
Sonrava Health is in search of a passionate General Dentist who loves to ONLY treat children for our offices in Yuba City, Chico and Redding, CA. If you are a dedicated Dentist looking for an exciting opportunity to make a difference in children's oral health, we have the perfect position for you!
At Sonrava Health, we are committed to being a Dental Home for our patients, offering a lifetime of comprehensive services. Our Pediatric Dentists, like you, play a crucial role in realizing this vision by providing top-notch treatment in our fully-equipped dental facilities, complemented by our well-trained support staff.
We pride ourselves on offering a range of Corporate...
Let us help you take the next step in your career at our Western Dental/Brident Offices!
For top performing Dental Assistants, Western Dental/Brident University offers Registered Dental Assistant training programs, RDA license fee reimbursement and promotion tracks.
We are a Military Friendly Employer. With 200 offices throughout California, Arizona, Nevada and Texas, consider us as a place to practice on your off duty days or choose us as your civilian employer of choice at the conclusion of your service. Let us help you with a smooth transition. We can help you navigate the required civilian credentials you will need.
We are looking for a highly skilled and experienced dental assistants. If you are a motivated self-starter and have...
Our General Dentists perform a variety of preventative, restorative, endodontic, and surgical procedures that fall under the scope of general dentistry. We’re big on teamwork, so you’ll be working and growing with other dentists in your office and region to provide the best treatment for your patients. Plus, we bring the Board Specialists into your office to treat patients if they are referred for such treatment. We keep patients under our care while you get to work side-by-side with a Specialty Dentist.
We provide a trained team to assist and build your schedules. Plus, we take care of the day-to-day operations for you so you can focus on what matters: your patients and their smiles.
Let us help you take the next step in your career at our Western Dental/Brident Offices!
For top performing Dental Assistants, Western Dental/Brident University offers Registered Dental Assistant training programs, RDA license fee reimbursement and promotion tracks.
We are a Military Friendly Employer. With 200 offices throughout California, Arizona, Nevada and Texas, consider us as a place to practice on your off duty days or choose us as your civilian employer of choice at the conclusion of your service. Let us help you with a smooth transition. We can help you navigate the required civilian credentials you will need.
We are looking for a highly skilled and experienced dental assistants. If you are a motivated self-starter and have...
Our company is looking for a bright, motivated and talented Patient Care Coordinator. The Patient Care Coordinator is the primary point of contact and communication for patients in our offices. The Coordinator will greet patients, introduce them to the office, coordinate treatment services, and nurture the patient relationship. The Patient Care Coordinator must be a strong communicator with a passion for providing excellent customer service and strong aptitude for sales. The Patient Care Coordinators objective is to make patients feel welcome and comfortable and to provide the Ultimate Patient Experience to every patient that visits our offices.
Job Responsibilities/Duties :
- Set and achieve personal sales goals while supporting the goals of...
It’s a new day for career opportunities at Sonrava - so join us and get on board
Full-Time Dentist
This is a fantastic opportunity for the right clinician. Join a team of quality-orientated professionals that you will be proud to be...
Our team of Hygienists perform a variety of preventative dental procedures as well as educate patients on oral hygiene. We’re big on teamwork, so you’ll partner with the dentist(s) in your office to provide the best treatment for your patients. In order to help you better educate your patients, our offices have iPads that include friendly videos on various dental procedures. Plus, we take care of the day-to-day operations for you so you can focus on what matters: your patients and their smiles.
We welcome Hygienists of all different experience levels, including recent graduates, to join our team.
Here's a few reasons why hygienists...
Overview
We are looking for an enthusiastic Hygiene assistant that loves building and maintaining positive relationships with patients who is flexible, and willing to collaborate with other team members. What if you could be rewarded for doing what you love, with a team that supports you, in an environment where there is a shared passion for quality patient care? Your primary role is to provide excellent patient experiences while "in the chair", and overall patient...
Are you a motivated self-starter looking for professional and personal fulfillment in your dental career? Do you want to be part of an organization that is interested in your professional growth?
Come and join a fun a friendly professional work environment where you will be proud to work in. We recognize the importance of investing in our most valuable asset that strengthens the...
Our company is looking for a bright, motivated and talented Patient Care Coordinator. The Patient Care Coordinator is the primary point of contact and communication for patients in our offices. The Coordinator will greet patients, introduce them to the office, coordinate treatment services, and nurture the patient relationship. The Patient Care Coordinator must be a strong communicator with a passion for providing excellent customer service and strong aptitude for sales. The Patient Care Coordinators objective is to make patients feel welcome and comfortable and to provide the Ultimate Patient Experience to every patient that visits our offices.
Job Responsibilities/Duties :
- Set and achieve personal sales goals while supporting the goals of...
Our company is looking for a bright, motivated and talented Patient Care Coordinator. The Patient Care Coordinator is the primary point of contact and communication for patients in our offices. The Coordinator will greet patients, introduce them to the office, coordinate treatment services, and nurture the patient relationship. The Patient Care Coordinator must be a strong communicator with a passion for providing excellent customer service and strong aptitude for sales. The Patient Care Coordinators objective is to make patients feel welcome and comfortable and to provide the Ultimate Patient Experience to every patient that visits our offices.
Job Responsibilities/Duties :
- Set and achieve personal sales goals while supporting the goals of...
Our General Dentists perform a variety of preventative, restorative, endodontic, and surgical procedures that fall under the scope of general dentistry. We’re big on teamwork, so you’ll be working and growing with other dentists in your office and region to provide the best treatment for your patients. Plus, we bring the Board Specialists into your office to treat patients if they are referred for such treatment. We keep patients under our care while you get to work side-by-side with a Specialty Dentist.
We provide a trained team to assist and build your schedules. Plus, we take care of the day-to-day operations for you so you can focus on what matters: your patients and their smiles.
Exodontist
**Earning Potential of $590K per year (based on experience)**
We are seeking an Exodontist for our office in Fairfield, CA.. This is a fantastic opportunity for the right Exodontist!
At Western Dental & Orthodontics, we are a Dental Home providing a lifetime of services for our patients. Exodontists, like you, support this idea by providing treatment for your patients in our fully-equipped dental facilities along with trained support staff.
At Western Dental, we have a variety of Corporate Support Departments including Billing, Quality Management, Procurement/Facilities, Human Resources, and IT...
Are you an experienced Oral Surgeon looking for an exceptional opportunity? Sonrava Health is seeking a Board Eligible or Board-Certified Oral Surgeon to join our team at our Oroville office. At Sonrava Health, we are dedicated to providing a lifetime of comprehensive dental services to our patients, and we need skilled Oral Surgeons like you to make it happen.
About Us:
Sonrava Health is a Dental Home committed to delivering top-quality dental care. As an Oral Surgeon with us, you'll play a pivotal role in our patient-centric approach by providing sedation dentistry services in our state-of-the-art dental facilities, complemented by our...
Are you an experienced Oral Surgeon looking for an exceptional opportunity? Sonrava Health is seeking a Board Eligible or Board-Certified Oral Surgeon to join our team at our Vallejo and Fairfield offices. At Sonrava Health, we are dedicated to providing a lifetime of comprehensive dental services to our patients, and we need skilled Oral Surgeons like you to make it happen.
About Us:
Sonrava Health is a Dental Home committed to delivering top-quality dental care. As an Oral Surgeon with us, you'll play a pivotal role in our patient-centric approach by providing sedation dentistry services in our state-of-the-art dental...
Are you an experienced Oral Surgeon looking for an exceptional opportunity? Sonrava Health is seeking a Board Eligible or Board-Certified Oral Surgeon to join our team at our Sacramento/ Elkhorn office. At Sonrava Health, we are dedicated to providing a lifetime of comprehensive dental services to our patients, and we need skilled Oral Surgeons like you to make it happen.
About Us:
Sonrava Health is a Dental Home committed to delivering top-quality dental care. As an Oral Surgeon with us, you'll play a pivotal role in our patient-centric approach by providing sedation dentistry services in our state-of-the-art dental facilities,...
Endodontist
Sonrava Health is currently seeking a Board Eligible, Board-Certified or general dentist who specializes in endodontics to join our team at our Oroville office. If you are an experienced Endodontist looking for a flexible opportunity to provide top-notch care, this role offers an excellent platform to excel in your field.
At Sonrava Health, we are dedicated to being a lifelong provider of dental services for our patients. Endodontists, like you, play a pivotal role in supporting this vision by delivering specialized treatment in our fully-equipped dental facilities, complemented by our well-trained support staff.
Our commitment to...
Endodontist
Sonrava Health is currently seeking a Board Eligible, Board-Certified or general dentist who specializes in endodontics to join our team at our Santa Rosa offices. If you are an experienced Endodontist looking for a flexible opportunity to provide top-notch care, this role offers an excellent platform to excel in your field.
At Sonrava Health, we are dedicated to being a lifelong provider of dental services for our patients. Endodontists, like you, play a pivotal role in supporting this vision by delivering specialized treatment in our fully-equipped dental facilities, complemented by our well-trained support staff.
Our commitment to...
Endodontist
Sonrava Health is currently seeking a Board Eligible, Board-Certified or general dentist who specializes in endodontics to join our team at our Fairfield and Vallejo, CA offices. If you are an experienced Endodontist looking for a flexible opportunity to provide top-notch care, this role offers an excellent platform to excel in your field.
At Sonrava Health, we are dedicated to being a lifelong provider of dental services for our patients. Endodontists, like you, play a pivotal role in supporting this vision by delivering specialized treatment in our fully-equipped dental facilities, complemented by our well-trained support staff.
Endodontist
Sonrava Health is currently seeking a Board Eligible, Board-Certified or general dentist who specializes in endodontics to join our team at our Vacaville office. If you are an experienced Endodontist looking for a flexible opportunity to provide top-notch care, this role offers an excellent platform to excel in your field.
At Sonrava Health, we are dedicated to being a lifelong provider of dental services for our patients. Endodontists, like you, play a pivotal role in supporting this vision by delivering specialized treatment in our fully-equipped dental facilities, complemented by our well-trained support staff.
Our commitment to...
Endodontist
Sonrava Health is currently seeking a Board Eligible, Board-Certified or general dentist who specializes in endodontics to join our team at our Natomas and Rancho Cordova offices. If you are an experienced Endodontist looking for a flexible opportunity to provide top-notch care, this role offers an excellent platform to excel in your field.
At Sonrava Health, we are dedicated to being a lifelong provider of dental services for our patients. Endodontists, like you, play a pivotal role in supporting this vision by delivering specialized treatment in our fully-equipped dental facilities, complemented by our well-trained support staff.
Endodontist
Sonrava Health is currently seeking a Board Eligible, Board-Certified or general dentist who specializes in endodontics to join our team at our San Francisco Mission office. If you are an experienced Endodontist looking for a flexible opportunity to provide top-notch care, this role offers an excellent platform to excel in your field.
At Sonrava Health, we are dedicated to being a lifelong provider of dental services for our patients. Endodontists, like you, play a pivotal role in supporting this vision by delivering specialized treatment in our fully-equipped dental facilities, complemented by our well-trained support staff.
Our...
Our team of Hygienists perform a variety of preventative dental procedures as well as educate patients on oral hygiene. We’re big on teamwork, so you’ll partner with the dentist(s) in your office to provide the best treatment for your patients. In order to help you better educate your patients, our offices have iPads that include friendly videos on various dental procedures. Plus, we take care of the day-to-day operations for you so you can focus on what matters: your patients and their smiles.
We welcome Hygienists of all different experience levels, including recent graduates, to join our team.
Here's a few reasons why hygienists...
RDA Ortho New & Experienced Licensee Welcome
Want excellent training? Are you a motivated self-starter looking for professional and personal fulfillment in your dental career? Come and join a fun a friendly professional dental team at Western Dental / Brident. Whether you are a new RDA licensee or if you have experience, take your career to the next level. We have the opportunities and training programs to work for our general density departments and specialty including Ortho, Pedo, Perio, Endo, Oral Surgery.
Western Dental / Brident offers a competitive benefit package designed to enhance the lives of our team members. Team members are eligible for benefits based on their full time status.
- Paid Time Off ( PTO...
Let us help you take the next step in your career at our Western Dental Offices!
For top performing Dental Assistants, Western Dental University offers Registered Dental Assistant training programs, RDA license fee reimbursement and promotion tracks.
We are looking for a highly skilled and experienced dental assistants. If you are a motivated self-starter and have excellent work ethics and dental experience we would like to hear from you.
At Western Dental Offices we have modern, fully equipped state of the art dental practices that you will be proud to be affiliated with. We recognize that our employees are part of the Western Dental family where we...
As a receptionist you are the face of the practice, this is a fantastic opportunity for the right person! Join a team of quality orientated dental professionals that you will be proud to be affiliated with. Working with Western Dental / Brident Dental you will enjoy being a part of one of our brand new beautiful, modern, and fully equipped dental practices.
Responsibilities
- Customer Service; acknowledge, smile and greet patients upon arrival/dismissal
- Respond to patient questions and or concerns according to company Policies
- Answering Telephones
- Scheduling Appointments
- Maintaining Appointment Book
- Confirming Appointments
- Follow up on no shows/cancellation of...
RDA Ortho New & Experienced Licensee Welcome
Want excellent training? Are you a motivated self-starter looking for professional and personal fulfillment in your dental career? Come and join a fun a friendly professional dental team at Western Dental / Brident. Whether you are a new RDA licensee or if you have experience, take your career to the next level. We have the opportunities and training programs to work for our general density departments and specialty including Ortho, Pedo, Perio, Endo, Oral Surgery.
Western Dental / Brident offers a competitive benefit package designed to enhance the lives of our team members. Team members are eligible for benefits based on their full time status.
- Paid Time Off ( PTO...
Let us help you take the next step in your career at our Western Dental/Brident Offices!
For top performing Dental Assistants, Western Dental/Brident University offers Registered Dental Assistant training programs, RDA license fee reimbursement and promotion tracks.
We are a Military Friendly Employer. With 200 offices throughout California, Arizona, Nevada and Texas, consider us as a place to practice on your off duty days or choose us as your civilian employer of choice at the conclusion of your service. Let us help you with a smooth transition. We can help you navigate the required civilian credentials you will need.
We are looking for a highly skilled and experienced dental assistants. If you are a motivated self-starter and have...
Let us help you take the next step in your career at our Western Dental/Brident Offices as a Floor Supervisor! At Western Dental/Brident Offices we have modern, fully equipped state of the art dental practices that you will be proud to be affiliated with. We recognize that our team members are part of the Western Dental/Brident family where we provide excellent professional, financial and personal growth for your dental career.
Responsibilities
- Supervise all back office staff including scheduling, training, performance evaluations and holding staff accountable
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Let us help you take the next step in your career at our Western Dental/Brident Offices!
For top performing Dental Assistants, Western Dental/Brident University offers Registered Dental Assistant training programs, RDA license fee reimbursement and promotion tracks.
We are a Military Friendly Employer. With 200 offices throughout California, Arizona, Nevada and Texas, consider us as a place to practice on your off duty days or choose us as your civilian employer of choice at the conclusion of your service. Let us help you with a smooth transition. We can help you navigate the required civilian credentials you will need.
We are looking for a highly skilled and experienced dental assistants. If you are a motivated self-starter and have...
Calling all Dental Hygienist - Offering comprehensive benefits package - PTO, Sick, Holiday, Med/Vis/Dental and more!
We are looking for an enthusiastic hygienist that loves building and maintaining positive relationships with patients. What if you could be rewarded for doing what you love, with a team that supports you, in an environment where there is a shared passion for quality patient care? Your primary role is to provide exceptional patient care, while educating patients on the oral systemic links. As a...
Let us help you take the next step in your career at our Western Dental/Brident Offices as a Floor Supervisor! At Western Dental/Brident Offices we have modern, fully equipped state of the art dental practices that you will be proud to be affiliated with. We recognize that our team members are part of the Western Dental/Brident family where we provide excellent professional, financial and personal growth for your dental career.
Responsibilities
- Supervise all back office staff including scheduling, training, performance evaluations and holding staff accountable
-
Our company is looking for a bright, motivated and talented Patient Care Coordinator. The Patient Care Coordinator is the primary point of contact and communication for patients in our offices. The Coordinator will greet patients, introduce them to the office, coordinate treatment services, and nurture the patient relationship. The Patient Care Coordinator must be a strong communicator with a passion for providing excellent customer service and strong aptitude for sales. The Patient Care Coordinators objective is to make patients feel welcome and comfortable and to provide the Ultimate Patient Experience to every patient that visits our offices.
Job Responsibilities/Duties :
- Set and achieve personal sales goals while supporting the goals of...
Let us help you take the next step in your career at our Western Dental/Brident Offices!
For top performing Dental Assistants, Western Dental/Brident University offers Registered Dental Assistant training programs, RDA license fee reimbursement and promotion tracks.
We are a Military Friendly Employer. With 200 offices throughout California, Arizona, Nevada and Texas, consider us as a place to practice on your off duty days or choose us as your civilian employer of choice at the conclusion of your service. Let us help you with a smooth transition. We can help you navigate the required civilian credentials you will need.
We are looking for a highly skilled and experienced dental assistants. If you are a motivated self-starter and have...
Let us help you take the next step in your career at our Western Dental/Brident Offices!
For top performing Dental Assistants, Western Dental/Brident University offers Registered Dental Assistant training programs, RDA license fee reimbursement and promotion tracks.
We are a Military Friendly Employer. With 200 offices throughout California, Arizona, Nevada and Texas, consider us as a place to practice on your off duty days or choose us as your civilian employer of choice at the conclusion of your service. Let us help you with a smooth transition. We can help you navigate the required civilian credentials you will need.
We are looking for a highly skilled and experienced dental assistants. If you are a motivated self-starter and have...
As a receptionist you are the face of the practice, this is a fantastic opportunity for the right person! Join a team of quality orientated dental professionals that you will be proud to be affiliated with. Working with Western Dental / Brident Dental you will enjoy being a part of one of our brand new beautiful, modern, and fully equipped dental practices.
Responsibilities
- Customer Service; acknowledge, smile and greet patients upon arrival/dismissal
- Respond to patient questions and or concerns according to company Policies
- Answering Telephones
- Scheduling Appointments
- Maintaining Appointment Book
- Confirming Appointments
- Follow up on no shows/cancellation of...
Our company is looking for a bright, motivated and talented Patient Care Coordinator. The Patient Care Coordinator is the primary point of contact and communication for patients in our offices. The Coordinator will greet patients, introduce them to the office, coordinate treatment services, and nurture the patient relationship. The Patient Care Coordinator must be a strong communicator with a passion for providing excellent customer service and strong aptitude for sales. The Patient Care Coordinators objective is to make patients feel welcome and comfortable and to provide the Ultimate Patient Experience to every patient that visits our offices.
Job Responsibilities/Duties :
- Set and achieve personal sales goals while supporting the goals of...
Our company is looking for a bright, motivated and talented Patient Care Coordinator. The Patient Care Coordinator is the primary point of contact and communication for patients in our offices. The Coordinator will greet patients, introduce them to the office, coordinate treatment services, and nurture the patient relationship. The Patient Care Coordinator must be a strong communicator with a passion for providing excellent customer service and strong aptitude for sales. The Patient Care Coordinators objective is to make patients feel welcome and comfortable and to provide the Ultimate Patient Experience to every patient that visits our offices.
Job Responsibilities/Duties :
- Set and achieve personal sales goals while supporting the goals of...
Let us help you take the next step in your career at our Western Dental/Brident Offices!
For top performing Dental Assistants, Western Dental/Brident University offers Registered Dental Assistant training programs, RDA license fee reimbursement and promotion tracks.
We are a Military Friendly Employer. With 200 offices throughout California, Arizona, Nevada and Texas, consider us as a place to practice on your off duty days or choose us as your civilian employer of choice at the conclusion of your service. Let us help you with a smooth transition. We can help you navigate the required civilian credentials you will need.
We are looking for a highly skilled and experienced dental assistants. If you are a motivated self-starter and have...
Let us help you take the next step in your career at our Western Dental/Brident Offices!
For top performing Dental Assistants, Western Dental/Brident University offers Registered Dental Assistant training programs, RDA license fee reimbursement and promotion tracks.
We are a Military Friendly Employer. With 200 offices throughout California, Arizona, Nevada and Texas, consider us as a place to practice on your off duty days or choose us as your civilian employer of choice at the conclusion of your service. Let us help you with a smooth transition. We can help you navigate the required civilian credentials you will need.
We are looking for a highly skilled and experienced dental assistants. If you are a motivated self-starter and have...